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INTERVIEW WITH ALEXANDER MEDVEDKIN 173
                without long motivating links, whereas in comedy nowadays people stop
                laughing. Now the director and the scriptwriter spend such a long time
                preparing each gag that the audience cools down in between them and
                has to be warmed up again like a samovar.
                    It was not so much from Lloyd’s films  as from Chaplin’s that I
                understood the principle of progression from one laugh to another. It’s
                the basic principle in Chaplin’s work, beginning, perhaps, with his very
                first feeble and immature works. A pie is thrown into someone’s face
                and they laugh. Chaplin doesn’t let the audience cool down: he disturbs
                their equanimity. The audience is wound up because it knows that now it
                will be  kicked, the door will open, the  wife will burst  in, and so  on.
                Laughter, laughter, laughter. A cascade of laughter, of comic turns,
                clowning that’s close to the circus. This is the great art of Chaplin. I very
                much regret that he  abandoned  this kind of comedy and went in for
                more-or-less serious things  like  Monsieur  Verdoux [USA, 1947],  The
                Countess from Hong Kong  [Great Britain, 1966]  and A King in New
                York [Great Britain, 1957].
                    That’s not Chaplin. It was Charlie who gave pleasure to millions of
                people in every language, on every continent: it was Charlie  the king,
                Charlie the clown, Charlie the unhappy and downtrodden little man who
                had such a heart, who aroused such enormous sympathy, who enriched
                people of the most varied nationality and skin colour. It was from
                Chaplin, from  his early works, rather than from  Harold  Lloyd  that I
                learned how much more it was possible to do: today a pie in the face,
                tomorrow a cake in the eye–and [it was from Chaplin that] I realised
                how limited this all was.
                    I did not know that cinema would develop to such an extent that it
                would be possible to get away from all this. But I did understand the
                mechanics of laughter, its technique, so to say, and in my subsequent
                work I tried  to do  things so  that  the  laughter was already there and
                didn’t result from  a door  bursting open or  someone being kicked.
                Because behind this laughter there is often a very important idea. That’s
                why we need laughter in film, that’s why we must strive for it.
                Eisenstein wrote a very good review of my film Happiness in which he
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                compared me to Chaplin.  It is worth thinking about because, from an
                analytical point of view, Eisenstein understood Happiness better than I
                do.
                Question: And what did you do after Happiness?
                    Answer:  After the success of  Happiness–and it was very
                successful: it was well received by everyone from  unsophisticated
                audiences to the intelligentsia–what was I to do? I was interested in
                developing the theme of the first three reels of Happiness: they show
                Khmyr’s life–his misery, his dreams, his unhappy fate, the lack of any
                prospects in life. I felt limited by length and structure in my depiction of
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