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            anytime” education that seems to have lost its intimate and unique connection with
            the  local  community  (Sobel  1996).  “Educating-within-place,”  by  bringing  our
            attention to the ontological nature of our very being that is the inseparable nature
            of human relationship with a place, could help PBE to challenge the object subject
            dichotonomous perspective and move toward “here and now” education.
              Jen:  This separation between the “what” and “how” of a place reinforces the
            Cartesian dualism that Ladislaus Semali and Joe Kincheloe (1999) often denounce,
            “this western modernist way of producing knowledge and constructing reality…
            [seeks] to produce not local but translocal knowledge” (p. 28). They describe this
            process as “Cartesian reductionism,” where problems are broken into separate com-
            ponents, described and categorized, and questions of context are dismissed. This
            reminds me of museum displays that aim to present a comprehensive view of bio-
            diversity. In such exhibits, flora and fauna are presented in such a way that completely
            removes them from their context in what Kahn (1995) describes as heterotopias –
            combinations of different places as though they are one. They are listed with their
            scientific pedigree (evolutionary relationships) and their geographical ranges; how-
            ever, oft missing is their role in their given ecosystems – their relationships to other
            living things and their natural environment – nor are there any hints about how they
            are known by local/indigenous people who share their ecosystems. There seems to
            be no room for the ontological realm in science. This is the same situation that we
            re/create for ourselves and for our students if we consistently approach PBE and
            environmental education (for that matter) from this dichotomous perspective. This
            issue raises a question about the relationship between PBE and environmental edu-
            cation and as they are both commonly enacted, there is very little difference. I think
            we all agree that the ontological realm is an important yet often missing aspect that
            makes PBE a meaningful pedagogy in science education and in other disciplines.
            I also think that environmental education, if approached with PBE methodologies
            and enacted with PBE pedagogies that center on peoples’ connections with places,
            is PBE as it is truly meant to be.
              Sheliza:  Karrow and Fazio describe how meanings of place are usually based on
            place as an object discussed or studied from the standpoint of a subject (as if by
            some “irresistible modern habit” we reflect on place in this manner). In this sense,
            perhaps more so for science educators, I began to think that as teachers try to get
            through a lesson that requires them to be more “place conscious,” their efforts may
            go against PBE. This is assumed because if we define place as an object, and the
            students/teachers together as subjects educating themselves or reflecting upon place,
            then we see “educating” as an action. In this sense, the act of educating probably is
            unmindful of the ontological realm because we are educating ourselves about place
            but not in place. Should we say that students are educating in a place rather than
            students are educating about a place? Would that small change invoke the ontological
            realm during place-based moments? Karrow and Fazio state that they wish (through
            their conception of PBE) to blur the object/subject distinction by positioning PBE as
            “educating-within-place”  in  order  to  convey  a  sense  of  ongoingness,  intimacy,
            embeddedness, the active, inevitable, evocation of the possible. This draws in the
            “here” and “now” approach to PBE that Miyoun describes earlier.
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