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do. . . . It is not egotistical like I am the man and that’s it and you’re
going to live by my rules. We share that relationship, my wife and I.
That is very well balanced in how we deal with that. But when it
comes to [the] spirituality part of it, we are to be leaders in the house-
hold but unfortunately in today’s society, I think women are the
spiritual leaders in most households. They are the ones doing all the
praying, doing all the “let’s get to church, c’mon, guys.” You know.
Whereas, it is just not supposed to be that way.
Interviewer: What do you think has caused that?
Glenn: I think men are more driven, at least in my eyes, I know a lot of
men that are driven by success and money. Some are driven by being
self-centered and being selfish. . . . I think most men, unfortunately,
have lost sight of who we really are. I say that because I think a lot of
men are not in touch with their – can I say this – their feminine side.
And, without having that balance, not to get too charismatic, yin and
yang here, but I do believe that there is a balance in all of us and there
is an emotional side in all of us that men don’t touch and really deal
with. Well, tied into that emotional side is the spirituality. And, if you
are not in touch with the spirit in deep and the emotion that is in there
then you are really not balanced as a man, at least in my eyes. So, I
firmly believe that most men don’t go there because it is too touchy
feely for them. Whereas I believe that a true man . . . I believe in Lord
Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, a true man, and I use Him as an
example, that he was very compassionate, very loving, very under-
standing, yet he was very, very strong. Not only physically, but also
mentally and when it came to self-denial, and all those things. So, I
think He shows me that there is a balance and you need to have that
balance.
Interviewer: Do you have any male Bible groups that you do with your
men friends?
Glenn: I’m trying to get a men’s ministry started in our church. We don’t
have a men’s ministry per se.
Interviewer: Ministry meaning . . . ?
Glenn: Ministry meaning where men meet with men. And men hold men
accountable for what they do in their lives. Men can go and sit and
meet once a week and have coffee together and you talk about this,
that, and the other thing. Whatever it is men do. And I had that in
California, an accountability group where I would meet on a regular
basis and we were involved with men’s ministry and all that. Promise
Keepers, I’m involved with.

The conversation about Glenn’s own beliefs and spirituality moves quickly
to his ideas about how men’s spirituality is formed and shaped in child-
hood. He sees a particular kind of need in this area.