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              'Don't  make  trouble for  them so  they won't make trouble for  us\ perhaps
              that  is  how  we  are able  to function as  we  do.  By  'making  it  explicit'  I
              only  meant  explicit  for  and  to  intellectuals.  Yes, we have to figure it out,
              but for  the society  to  try to  overcome  the contradictions  in how the  several
              parts of the contract are to be defined,  and how they are to  be rationalized,
              given  how emotional the issues are,  explicitneess might harm  more than  help
              and  might tax the people's abilities  beyond their  capacities.
                The final  thing I  think we need from your side, is  a  general  statement
              of  the  issues in  Ethnic Studies,  By the  way, I  move from  the  adjective to
              a  noun,  "multi-discipline," I  treat Ethnic  Studies  as a  multi-discipline.  It is
              not,  strictly  speaking  a  discipline;  it  is  in fact  a  coalition of  disciplines.
              Correct,  and,  incidentally,  I  like  that  expression. Environmental  Studies is
              another  multi-discipline  and  so  is  Women's Studies,  as  are Cognitive
              Science,  Science Studies,  Technology Studies,  and, perhaps.  Religious Studies,
              These  are all  multi-disciplines.
                The very word  "multi-discipline" describes  the central issues: The issues
              are  the  same  in  life  as  they  are  intellectually  when  one  is  working  in a
              multi-discipline,  i.e.,  how  do  you  bring  together  orientations,  points  of
              view,  and  particular  questions  that  have  arisen  out  of  various  sour-
              ces—^viz., what  might  have  arisen  out  of  older  debates wherein  the  issues
              were  couched  in  terms  of  Political  Science  vs.  Sociology vs.  Anthropology
              vs.  History,  etc.  In  non-academic  life  the  same  kind  of  issues  arise  out
              of  the  various  contacts  and  varying  confrontations  of  different  racial  and
              ethic  groups  and  of  the  individuals  who  are  willy-nilly  designated  by
              ethnic  or  social  signifiers.  Happily,  Ronald  Takaki,  a  scholar  in  the
              forefront  of  ethnic  studies  as  a  multi-discipline,  has  informed  our
              discussion  with  his  latest  book.^'
                You  are  saying that  we  have  acquired  perspectives  as  trained  intellec-
              tuals that pertain to  our disciplines,  but,  when we try to  work together,  its
              the  same  thing as  growing  up  Hispanic or  growing  up  Polish  and  then
              trying  to  work together  on  the City Council  and  ,  ,  ,  The  problem  of  the
              multi-disciplines  is  the  problem  of  the  plural  society;  it's  a  microcosmic
              mirror  image  of  the  problem  of  the  plural  society.  But,  just  as  working
              together on  the  City  Council is  possible, so also  is  multi-disciplinary work.
                It  might be  that  this  contrasts  with the  idea  of  what  might be called
              an  ''inter-discipline,"  which translates  the  assimilationist  view and believes



                  ^'  Ronald  Takaki,  A  Different  Mirror: A  History  of  Multi-Cultural  America
              (Boston:  Little  Brown  and  Co.,  1993).
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